Friday, July 08, 2005

Its all Greek to me!



Lets come up with a caption... something like:

"There love is never ending"

Happy Weekend!

20 Comments:

Blogger Bill Fleming said...

Hey Spin, that's a beautiful thing. Thanks for it!

Fri Jul 08, 06:40:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Sarah said...

or "You've captured the golden section of my heart-circle."

Oye...I think I just made a math joke.

Fri Jul 08, 07:29:00 PM MDT  
Blogger EThunk said...

..where's trewthinalliam...where's polyman?

Fri Jul 08, 08:06:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Chop said...

Was that an original idea or was it from somewhere else? If it was original I can put it right up there with Om Land, I certainly would.

Fri Jul 08, 08:57:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

I love how they're leaning on each other.
Other possible titles:

Pi and Phi in the sky.

Infinite Bliss.

Never ending love.

Math is too heart.
(I like that one)

Did you mean to spell "there" that way Spin?

It works both ways, doesn't it?

Sat Jul 09, 07:39:00 AM MDT  
Blogger Spinfly said...

It was Ethunk's idea, she actualy wanted them to dance. I thought having them be in love was easier... er, um... I mean funnier.

Sat Jul 09, 09:25:00 AM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

Polyman.

Sorry, but I can't have kids on my own, I always need to have some help. But that's probably a good thing don't you think?

Anyway, if I did get to be the father of another kid, I think PiPhi would be a great name.

(...on second thought, maybe it's good that you and I don't get to have complete control over these matters, Polyman.)

Sat Jul 09, 06:03:00 PM MDT  
Blogger EThunk said...

Maybe this thread could lead to a new Art Book By Owl..Phi is from Venus, Pi is from Mars.

Sat Jul 09, 07:44:00 PM MDT  
Blogger EThunk said...

...by the way Owl, I really like your caption 'Math is too Heart'

Sat Jul 09, 07:51:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

Phi is from Venus... here's a lot more to that than you might E-think, Ethunk. (Unless you already know about the form the orbit of Venus traces.) It's a 5-ish thing. Have you seen it?

Glad you like the caption. I kept chuckling to myself, wondering if anyone else would think it was as funny as I do. (Sometimes I'm the only one, you know.)

Sat Jul 09, 08:06:00 PM MDT  
Blogger EThunk said...

I think we need to turn Chop loose to create a t-shirt and a hat (I'm hat dependent) with the 'Math is too Heart' caption on it.

...Owl, I didn't know about 'form the orbit of Venus traces' except kind of...it just seem to me that phi is (oh, here we go with the stuff my dad hates so much) more female and pi is for you guys...(yep, dad would definately take me to the woodshed for that statement)...it's silly, I know...but phi is really beautiful...silly, silly, silly.

Sat Jul 09, 08:24:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Chop said...

All right folks, I'm gonna do a little work and there will soon be some "Math is too Heart" shirts (and hats ethunk) up on the Om Land store.

Keep an eye out, and maybe buy some Om Land Sri Cure Ity merch while you're waiting.

Sat Jul 09, 08:30:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

You are emphatically not the only one who thinks this, Ethunk. You will be amazed to learn how right you just might be (at least according to the ancient philosophers... modern science is just starting to to rediscover and reaffirm some of this). I've got a few very cool books for your review if you're interested.

By all means use the headline with the art if it's ok with Spinny.

Sat Jul 09, 08:32:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Chop said...

But first, Spinfly needs to put the caption on the pic. Spin, I would also appriciate it if you could email me those Mr. Prejudice pics you have, I would like to work on them a little bit in my big long days. Thankee!

Sat Jul 09, 08:32:00 PM MDT  
Blogger EThunk said...

Wow! You guy are fast...I just went out to turn off the water and BAMB..three posts.

Owl..would love to review the books...(does it make me a goddess if I think like the ancients?...whoops, I forgot, my dad's woodshed makes Owl's look like a penthouse)

Chop..Spin will get you the pic on Monday...howz yer back?

Sat Jul 09, 08:46:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

Nice answer:
I thought you were already one of the Blogoddesses if this spave, Ethunk.

Wize ass answer:
No, it just makes us ancient.

And oh, yeah...I remember KS's woodshed well.

I'll round up a few books for you.

Sat Jul 09, 11:12:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

Polyman, post #1:
If you want my opinion Poly, the circle (pi) is an undivided, infinite whole. Nothing dualistic about it.
It represents unity, and as such is perhaps both male and female. The action starts when you overlap two identical circles in such a way that the center of one is on the circumference of the other.
You will then see a form that the Ancient Geometers call the "Vesica Pisces." Study it a little, and you'll se that the shape is decidedly...um...well..ahem...uh, female. It is from this division that the Golden Section emerges, because you have now dived "unity" in such a way as to be able to make a half square. The golden section, with all its beauty and harmony is derived from the diagonal of the half-square (the square root of 5). To understand this, you have to be familiar with one more math thing. The Pythagorean Theorum. Together, pi, phi, and the 3,4,5 right triangle are to me the most profound and beautiful ideas there are. Plus, it's always about circles. Never just about lines.
The only time there's really just a line is when you draw the first circle. There is a point that marks the center of the circle and the length of the radius. That to me represents first one dimension (the point or center, that contains "everything)) and then the "line" (the radius, this is where "space is first created" by extending the point to a given distance to establish a straight line.) After that, there's here's always an arc involved. (Raiders of The Lost Ark?)

Post #2. I kind of agree with you on this. In fact, I think I mentioned it in my long answers when you first brought it up. The only thing I can say is that it's not possible to draw the diameter of a circle until after the circle or an arc has been drawn. So the symbol for Phi best represents the division of a circle (discussed above) while the Pi is made out of lines.

Maybe the short on on top is the original radius, and the two "legs" the diameter. In any case it kind of looks like the structures at Stonehenge doesn't it. Pillar and beam construction. Sort of "male" in a way, while the circle with a line through sort of looks like a woman's...uh...well, you get the picture, right?

Man, that's reading a lit into a couple of greek letters and some circles. But then, that's exactly what the practice of Sacred Geometry is all about, believe it or not!

Sun Jul 10, 11:08:00 AM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

"Too heart" has a lot of meaning Poly. You're definitely onto one of them. Keep goin'.

Sun Jul 10, 11:23:00 AM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

Ok, Polyman, here are some more "clues:"

"Math is too heart"

Recall that the word "too" also means "also"
Then read it as "Math is also heart"

Or, imagine that someone has said, "Math doesn't have any heart, or "Math is all brain and no heart"

The caption could then mean, "Hey, Math is too heart!" (you nitwit!)

Or, like you said, it's an audio pun, where "heart" becomes "Hard" and what you get is "Math is too hard!" (like a whiner might say)

Then, think of the math things they do when they describe things like the golden section and use a colon and a double colon a:b::b:a+b (a is to b as b is to a plus b). In this case you could read the caption as an open ended analog. Math is to heart
(as...). In this case you are in effect asking the audience to complete the analogy.

Finally, there are three symbols in Spinny's artwork, only one of which most people would recognise (the heart). By saying "Math is too heart" we acknowledge that the heart is what it is, and then play with the words "Too and "Two" (those things we don't recognise, and have to think about. We tell
the viewer that the "two" other symbols are about "math" and leave it at that.

I'm sure there are other ways to read it Poly, but that's a good starter kit. I like to write and read things that have a lot of room for the reader to play around. I think it engages them. (at least the ones worth engaging). If you spell it out too clearly, there's nothing to think about the second or third time you look.

Sun Jul 10, 07:10:00 PM MDT  
Blogger Bill Fleming said...

By the way Polyman, as you know, old Nostradamus got a lot of mileage out of writing things people could only "kinda" understand. So did James Joyce and e.e.cummings, and Lewis Carrol, not to mention Bob Dylan and John Lennon. It's like abstract painting, only with words.

Tue Jul 12, 09:36:00 AM MDT  

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