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This is the longest time I've ever seen a thread continue to develop after it's "dropped out of sight" on Mt. Blogmore.
This woman Rachel rocks.
Here are the last 2 installments:
Beryl: “#208: Pregnancy complications/changes do not differ do to the woman’s desire to be pregnant or not, they exist due to the medical condition of the mother, the fetus or both.”
You don’t say. I never claimed that being forced to gestate upped the chances of complications during pregnancy. My point was that the pro-foetus league routinely just ignores the fact that there is a woman involved, whose body goes through enormous changes as a result of pregnancy: I, like many pro-choicers, am sick of women being sidelined in the debate about abortion. We hear endlessly from the pro-foetus gang about how the z/e/f has fingerprints/a heartbeat/a face/a talent for writing absurdly sentimental poems/whatever - and never a word about how the woman gets varicose veins and hemorroids, stretch-marks, the butterfly mask of pregnancy, etc etc etc. The anti-abortion crowd needs to grow up, acknowledge that pregnancy is a big deal, and learn to respect women enough to allow them to decide for themselves whether or not to go through it.
And a pregnancy doesn’t have to be medically complicated to be extremely unpleasant both physically and psychologically. The bottom line is that it is morally indefensible to force women to gestate if they don’t want to.
Comment by Rachel — 4/8/2006 @ 4:06 am
238.
“The bottom line is that it is morally indefensible to force women to gestate if they don’t want to.”
Exactly, Rachael.
I would add that it is just as morally reprehensible to force women to reproduce against their will as it is to force them to have sex if they don’t want to.
It begs the old question doesn’t it Rachel:
“Which letter of the word “no” do these boys not understand?”
Comment by Bill Fleming — 4/8/2006 @ 11:57 am
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This woman Rachel rocks.
Here are the last 2 installments:
Beryl: “#208: Pregnancy complications/changes do not differ do to the woman’s desire to be pregnant or not, they exist due to the medical condition of the mother, the fetus or both.”
You don’t say. I never claimed that being forced to gestate upped the chances of complications during pregnancy. My point was that the pro-foetus league routinely just ignores the fact that there is a woman involved, whose body goes through enormous changes as a result of pregnancy: I, like many pro-choicers, am sick of women being sidelined in the debate about abortion. We hear endlessly from the pro-foetus gang about how the z/e/f has fingerprints/a heartbeat/a face/a talent for writing absurdly sentimental poems/whatever - and never a word about how the woman gets varicose veins and hemorroids, stretch-marks, the butterfly mask of pregnancy, etc etc etc. The anti-abortion crowd needs to grow up, acknowledge that pregnancy is a big deal, and learn to respect women enough to allow them to decide for themselves whether or not to go through it.
And a pregnancy doesn’t have to be medically complicated to be extremely unpleasant both physically and psychologically. The bottom line is that it is morally indefensible to force women to gestate if they don’t want to.
Comment by Rachel — 4/8/2006 @ 4:06 am
238.
“The bottom line is that it is morally indefensible to force women to gestate if they don’t want to.”
Exactly, Rachael.
I would add that it is just as morally reprehensible to force women to reproduce against their will as it is to force them to have sex if they don’t want to.
It begs the old question doesn’t it Rachel:
“Which letter of the word “no” do these boys not understand?”
Comment by Bill Fleming — 4/8/2006 @ 11:57 am
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posted by Bill Fleming at 6:47 PM
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Keep fighting the good fight Owl. I don't know if this story is good or bad. It is definately where hb1215 is taking us. Click on the 'El Salvador's strict abortion law report (8:25)' link.
"Anchor Lisa Mullins speaks with Jack Hitt, author of a New York Times Magazine story about El Salvador's strict abortion law. The law punishes women who get an abortion -- and anybody who helps them -- with several years in jail."
Here is my question,
I just got home after the longest Saturday ever. I popped on to Myspace to check messages and low and behold we have one but it’s from the other camp and not very nice.
What I need advice on is how to handle it, I don’t have the energy to debate the issue with all the people who object and think i want to talk about it, but at the same time i would like to take the high road and end it quickly and with dignity. So is it best to
a: fight back
b: write a nice "go 'f' yourself letter
c: delete it and pretend it never happened
Bump them.You don't need to argue with them in your own house.
In what way could it be a good story, Ethunk?
The only good thing about any of this is that attention is being drawn by the main stream media.
Ok, now I get it. The comparison of South Dakota to the extremists policies of El Salvador. It's a good argument. Who wants to live in a country where they have inspections of women's private parts to determine if they've comitted murder? Powerful stuff.
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